While I can understand the reasoning behind the moderator’s restrictions—-not that I agree with them, mind—-but Simone showing up is just. It’s not classy. As one of those who would like to discuss this, I’m not going to do it with her breathing down my neck. To completely REMOVE the other Batgirls from discussion is not being a fan of them. This whole thing reeks of come and pat my back and forget about the flaws, issues, and discussion topics that should be addressed here!
Over on the CBR forums there is a “review thread” for Batgirl #1 in which you are not allowed to mention Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown or Kate Kane or express the viewpoint that you miss Oracle, because if you do, your post will be deleted.
Gail Simone is happily participating in that thread, giving her blessing of such rules and going on about how everything in the thread is so great.
I’m glad she’s such a fan of Cass and Steph, and always such a big suporter of diversity. No, really.
Thought my disappointment had reached rock bottom, but you just handed me a shovel, Gail.
Source is here, for the curious.
I…just… I can’t
I’ll be in my corner drawing Cass and Steph and Mia and Connor and Wally and Donna and screw everything.
Nice to see she’s still showing her usual classy self.
I have known she talks out of two faces since a friend of mine in a wheelchair called her out for her treatment of Oracle and she tried to dismiss me as his “little friend” (little friends? really?) because I agreed with him — in the DCU, where Batman recovered from a broken back and people come back from the dead every day, why were we keeping Oracle in a wheelchair?
So she’s such a fan of all the other girls in the clan of the cave bat, and now she won’t even allow other people to miss them in a public thread? Yeeeaaahhh.
I have no idea what you are talking about. But does it bother anyone that this didn’t actually happen? Really, go check out the thread yourself. No such statement from me occurred at all.
I didn’t make those rules, I didn’t agree with those rules, and I broke them myself and got yelled at for it.
I’m not trying to argue here…I’m assuming it’s a simple mistake. But getting mad about something that never happened seems very odd.
Fair enough. I stand corrected, then, about the Batgirl banning thread. But I was the recipient of your sneering derision when I backed up someone else about wondering why Oracle couldn’t walk again. And now — she is, and it’s as if you can’t remember ever sneering at fans who asked about her walking years before DC decided it should happen.
Well, first, this rings no bells for me, how long ago was this? We’re not talking about Static-Pulse, are we? That’s the only thing I can think of that sounds remotely like this.
But it sounds like I owe you an apology, in any case. Which I extend in public and in private to see what that was about. You certainly have my apology. If it’s cool, I’ll send an ask and find out what happened exactly.
As for the getting her out of a chair thing, I’ve actually discussed this a lot. When people suggested a Lazarus Pit or a Purple Ray solution, I’ve always felt that was a bad idea, I still do. I’ve talked about this at length. But those things do create a logic problem that has increasingly grown awkward as the years go on.
Again, people may not agree with the idea at all, that’s perfectly fair, but going the magic wand route has always seemed to be the most problematic road to take out of all possible choices.
Emphasis mine (I’m not into the forum issues). I don’t understand what the logic problem is here. This basically reads like ‘I know this decision was problematic but at least I did it in the least offensive way possible.’ That doesn’t make it…less problematic?
Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I meant in the time frame the poster was talking about, before the relaunch. This idea has been floated in the past and it was always felt that if they were GOING to do it, the magic wand was probably the worst way to do it. But the discussion was still that it shouldn’t be done.
With the relaunch, a lot of characters are going back to an earlier stage (not all, which, I agree, is confusing and sucks). We’re still not going the magic wand route, however.
Do you know if Renee Montoya will be appearing in Batgirl at all, Gail? Now that we have confirmation she’s back in the GCPD, I’m feeling hopeful we’ll see her somewhere again.
And while McKenna has reminded a lot of us of Renee, she isn’t exactly the same.
This is a little frustrating, I just found out TODAY about Dan’s quote that Renee would be an ‘officer in the GCPD.’ Dan is pretty tricksy with words sometimes, I don’t honestly know if he means that Renee will not be the Question, or if she will be a cop AND the Question. I don’t know for sure.
I asked about Renee a couple months ago, and the higher-ups said they weren’t sure who would be the Q at that time.
The sad thing was, Greg Rucka, who is THE Renee writer and always will be, asked me if I wanted to co-write a mini with him, with Renee as the Question and Helena as the Huntress, a female version of the classic Hard Traveling Heroes. He asked right on Twitter, a couple weeks ago. I was crazy excited, that sounded AMAZING.
But when we asked, we were told HUNTRESS wasn’t going to be available, no word on Renee. So that fun plan was scrapped.
There’s a lot more secrecy between the books than we are used to, they are really trying to keep spoilers to a minimum.
If she’s a cop, I’d love to see her appear with Melody (that’s the cop in the Batgirl book), at least for a cameo.
But she’s one of those characters, like Batwoman, that just feels like she belongs to one writer. Greg’s been really gracious, he’s always been a huge supporter when I use his characters, but let’s face it, Renee written by Greg is a very singular thing.